Women ministering to Women
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Hi Stacy, Jana here, I do minister just to women! The position of equality between men and women is not biblical. Men and women have different jobs and positions to play as God designed. I will be speaking at the Convention about this topic and why we should stand to maintain the Godly order and structure that was created since the beginning. Analyzing the fruits of each one, I do prefer the traditional way instead of the modern way (which has been heavily promoted during the last 50 years). Not coincidentally, during this same time period, we have seen the decay of society, relationships, and family. The traditional order has been working for thousands of years. Love, Jana
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Hi Stacey,
Thank you for your question. I do believe there is a place and time where a woman would indirectly minister to men, such as women who are placed in leadership roles by God as in the case of Deborah and other women leaders referenced in the Bible. I do emphasize indirectly minister to men. I have taught and preached at churches where men were part of the congregation. However, in the sense of direct ministry, I hold fast to Titus 2, women minister to women. Even in the practical sense, women can better relate to women from a psychological, spiritual and experiential perspective. Not to mention the potential risks involved. We have seen so many great men of God fall prey to the enemy for lack of establishing boundaries in this area in their ministries. Women and families are the target audience for my ministry of counseling,IH and deliverance. I only minister to men when it involves family and pre-marital counseling. Would I turn away from a man who needed my help incidentally?Absolutely not. I would do the needful always with the proper boundaries in place, and as dictated by the principles of Love. Very good point of discussion Stacey and Ps. Jana.
To God be the Glory.
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Hi Stacy,
I have been bringing this topic before the Lord quite a bit and have been led to keep my ministry predominantly women. Out of ~200 PRMS, I have only met one on one with ~15 males and 5 were children and teens between 6-19 years old. Most of the adult men I ministered to were husbands of PRMS who claimed that they would only do the ministry with me since they saw the results their wives had. I had 2 single men that were inappropriate earlier this year which led me to set new boundaries. I choose not to do ministry with men remotely close to my age if they are single. I will do a consultation with a husband of a PRM to see if it is a good fit. My preference for one on one ministry is women only, but do not turn someone away if I feel the Lord has brought them to my ministry. I look forward to hearing Pastor Jana speak on this topic next month!
God bless you!
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Pastor Jana made a great point the modern way has decayed society. It was a great teaching, that I shared it with a prm during a session and she stated, “Just to let you know as your talking I feel seriously angry with you, I have no reason to be.” (Jezebel)
As far as with men I was wondering as I went through the same, ministering to men (only 3, one was the husband of a prm) but I set new boundaries as well because it became inappropriate as well.
This is all really great insight from everyone! God Bless you all!
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My position on this is that women shouldn’t minister to men. My reasons have more to do with personal experience and logic than the bible; but through them I arrive at the same place.
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Hello sister Amanda, good, but remember from Chapter 9 of The Children’s Bread how we are to come to a decision. In this order:
1. Scripture (consulting the Bible)
2. Revelation by the Holy Spirit (consulting the Holy Spirit)
3. Seeking the Counsel of the Wise (speaking to mature Christians)
4. Seeking answers from life experienceTherefore, always make the Bible your primary rationale for any decision you make. God bless you! BM
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In my personal walk with the Lord, one of the things He has highlighted the most is submission to authority and divine order. Along the way He has given me a few prophetic words where I am to minister other women that has gone through all that I have experienced, and that I am to speak to other women and bring healing to them. In my heart I know I have a ministry and that my ministry is to women only, and the word and teachings I have received through Invicta Ministries confirm what I have received from The Lord. Praise God!
I also want to add that having sister Jana at the teaching on this topic was refreshing and encouraging for me as a fellow sister in the Lord. I was touched in a different way, I am curious if other women perceived the same. -
In parts of Indian River County, the thinking of several pastors that I have talked to or heard in their preaching, is toward Sovereign deliverance. The pastors will pray over someone but will not engage on a one on one deliverance. In my own church, there is a huge resistance of mentioning deliverance. But I see the need, in both women and men. I can see Jezebel in both men and women. I see the need for Inner healing. This is not wanting to be left out, this is a yearning to see people, both men & women to be set free in Jesus. I have to work on my submission to the Lord and his divine order. I’m not there yet.
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Pastor Jana, please explain the difference. The part I’m having trouble with is teaching. I teach on occasion in bible study to a mixed crowd. So as I understand it, that’s wrong. But when we are at the convention, women are teaching a mixed crowd of students. And that’s OK. What’s the difference?
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Hello Sister Sally, you make a good point.
At Invicta University, our goal is to see men and women working in their right positions of authority. This is the Divine Order of God, Man and Woman, and is what Mark has been trying to teach in the Lectures. But we, like the Church in general, are facing a problem. What is this problem? We are experiencing a shortage of men in leadership. As a result, we must use the available vessels. Who are these available vessels? Anointed women whom God has raised up to fill the void.
I want to be clear: It is not theologically correct for women to teach or assume authority over men. We know this from Scripture (1 Timothy 2:12). However, exceptional situations (think Rahab) arise when there are not enough men to do the job. When this happens, women will have to be used to fill the void.
By having women speakers at our Annual Convention, we are not declaring that it is OK or that it is “theologically correct” to do so. We are operating within exceptionality.
We are also not celebrating this exception (women in positions of teaching over men). In fact, we are trying to reverse the exception as being the standard. I think we are making progress, although there is a huge amount of work to be done.
It is not an easy task to revert back to Biblical standards in a completely anti-Biblical world. All of us have been brought up to think of the Biblical standard as being ineffective, antiquated, and even misogynistic. But that doesn’t mean that God is wrong when He stated what He did in 1 Timothy 2:12.
As a ministry (Invicta Ministries), our goal is to bring men back to their proper positions of authority through good teaching and healing. But this will be a work in progress. In order to get to God’s ideal, we need the help of the anointed women that God raised up to do the jobs of men. As the Bible says, in a lack of vessels, the Lord will use stones and a donkey.
As the leader of this ministry, Mark is calling on each one of us to do what we can to correctly operate in the Divine Order of Man and Woman. It will be little by little, but if we purpose in our hearts to reject worldly standards, we can get close to doing God’s will!Love, Jana (thank you, Mark, for editing the English!)
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Interestingly, a dear friend of mine who is a pastor contacted me recently because he knew I am learning this ministry. He is 70 years old, and he asked if I might could minister to a male friend of his. He was willing to be present, of course. However, I was so thankful to be able to confidently tell him I do not minister to men, thanks to Brother Mark’s teaching. I took that opportunity to tell him he has no choice: LEARN THIS MINISTRY SO HE CAN DELIVER HIS FRIEND! He had a good-natured laugh, but I wasn’t kidding.
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I’m seeking God’s guidance in this topic, and when this problem got in my way, I asked Holy Spirit for guidance. Here is what I got – but please examine it by the Spirit.
So is it allowed for a woman to teach a man? Jesus said to me: “the only thing that matters is the motivation of your heart”. If we teach someone with the desire of helping him, and under the covering of the Holy Spirit (and most probably with having a Godly soul-tie), we are not in sin. God created women to be a helper of a man (Gen. 2,18), which sometimes means that we can share / teach them something that they don’t know yet, or remind them to something that they forgot or don’t apply that time. So as I see 1 Timothy 2:12 now it is not by chance that Paul wrote: “I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.” – if there is a secret (or overt…) motivation in our heart to teach man because we want to take an authority, lead, or rule over a man: this is sinful, and a Jezebelic motivation, sadly… But when our heart is pure, filled with the Spirit and we want to be a helper, that is okay.
I had prophetic assignments towards men sometimes… I had to warn them for some things, even explain some things to them that I got from the Lord. It had good fruits. BUT it is a very thin ice, so we have to be careful and sober all the time… e.g. not starting a “teaching relationship” with someone just because we once had to prophecy or help him.
In a regular on-on-one meeting it is very dangerous I think to minister to a man as a woman (same age, singles… etc. as sister Dana mentioned), because Satan wants to interrupt the process all the time. And simply by being grateful to a woman for giving some attention, and ministering, it can lead a man to have emotions or desires for a woman (and of course, in reverse). Nowadays I learn how “Satanic love” works… so deceitful.
BUT I love as you wrote: only if Holy Spirit leads us to do so… I can imagine situations where God calls us to minister to a man, but with having borders, I agree, maybe never alone…You know I was so naive sometimes, when I thought my task is to preach the gospel all the time, whenever, wherever… although it is true, we must have Holy Spirit’s covering. More times it happened that when I shared the good news with a man (however, I’m not an evangelist someone basically, I’m trying to learn it…), he smiled and said: oh, sweetheart, you speak so nicely! Pff… I think that seed dropped down to the floor, but not into his heart (however… God can use anything…). These weren’t good experiences for me.
Finally, if God would wanted that women do not teach in any situation, I think He wouldn’t have given them a teaching gift. So many women have it, and we didn’t get our gifts to hide them. (Mt 5,15) I think it can be that when a women teach a crowd, and her desire is to help, it is not a problem that men listen.
Once I heard a teaching when someone told that in Biblical times men taught like they got together and someone spoke, then someone else replied, shared also things, etc… Women could be there, but it happened that a woman didn’t wait until a man finishes his speech, she interrupted and said sth. This is also Jezebelic, if I’m right. So Paul basically forbade this interruption and disrespect. (Well, I don’t know… could happen.)
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I’m sorry… two more things: so I agree, sister Jana with we need more men in God’s work, but we need women too, who fulfill their calling.
And… sorry for asking, but who guarantees that when a man ministers to or teach a woman, it is always covered and doesn’t have a risk? My father is a pastor… who has a really challenging relationship with a woman in the church. She is a seeker, someone who wanted to learn about Christianity. My dear father had more times a one-on-one meeting with her, teaching, counseling… hoping she will convert. They are in contact since years (my father stopped these one-on-one meetings), the woman is still not born again, but fell in love with my father…. she always follows him, and of course denies she would have emotions. I feel so sorry for both of them, we discussed some things about it… -
Hello,
I believe that for me as a woman it is very biblical and safe to minister only to women. In my Church I meet with the women and do the preparation to the main deliverance prayer (the first talk, the questionnaire, etc.) and the Pastor meets with the men to do so. But during the main prayer we are together: the PRM, the Pastor, the leader of PRM and I. The Pastor always leads the prayer with the men, but he asked me to lead the prayer with the women. That is the order that He established in the deliverance ministry in our Church. Do you think it is not ok for me to lead the prayers with the women when my Pastor is present? I always listen to His advice or directions He gives me during the prayers. I am aware of the order in the Church and I highly respect my Pastor as a Spiritual Father and my Authority and Covering. I really do not want to do something wrong. Please let me know what do You think.
Bless You all,
Joana
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