Ungodly Legalism

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    • #17306
      Mark Chase
      Keymaster

        Please use this Topic to post examples of ungodly legalism. Your example can be of any of the five types of ungodly legalism listed in the Lecture. This is an assignment in L2 S15 L1, The Stronghold Part 2.

        I look forward to reading your posts. PM

      • #17408
        Amanda Allen
        Participant

          My example follows the second form of ungodly legalism. If I understand correctly; using Proverbs 22:6 to tell a former witch how their salvation can’t be genuine is ungodly legalism?

        • #17477
          Cheryl Rottman
          Participant

            A form of legalism that I came across when learning about deliverance years ago is when the teacher told all of us to get rid of all of our crosses in our homes. She said it represents death and we shouldn’t have crosses displayed on our walls, or even be wearing crosses as jewelry. She also said we shouldn’t go to churches that display a cross in their building.

          • #17514
            Joshua Hudson
            Participant

              This example falls under the fifth form where they call something a sin when the Bible says its not. That is praying in your prayer language (tongues), even 1 Corinthians 14:39 says “Therefore brethren , desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid tongues.” People would go so far as to even say its demonic. But because we are confused, we call it sin and don’t study or ask questions.

            • #17669
              Joanna Szalecka
              Participant

                Examples of ungodly legalism:
                1. A woman mustn’t dye her hair because it is sin against her body as the temple of the Holy Spirit (the second and the fifth form).
                2. Women cannot preach at the church services because it indicates a deception of the church (the fifth form).

                • #18807
                  Mark Chase
                  Keymaster

                    The key issue with women working in the church (including women conducting deliverance ministry) is that women are not to exercise authority over men. Jana spoke on this topic at the 2023 Annual Convention. Click on 2023 Convention, and then find Jana’s video. Everyone needs to watch her talk on this important issue.

                    Declaring that women are not to exercise authority over men in the church is not ungodly legalism, it is Scriptural.

                • #18801
                  Sally Anne Gist
                  Participant

                    – An example of the 3rd kind of ungodly legalism is requiring women to wear only dresses/skirts to church.

                    – An example of the 4th kind can be found at a YouTube channel operated by Sean Griffin and his wife. They are very godly, very sincere believers, but they teach that all of the Old Testament requirements are still in effect today. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPMdmqkW3nnq2Yvqj1ZxSCw

                    • #18810
                      Mark Chase
                      Keymaster

                        Requiring women to wear definitively female clothing at church is more of a disputable matter of faith (L1 S1 L6) rather than ungodly legalism. Church leadership has a right to interpret Deuteronomy 22:5 and make this rule if they choose to. One thing is certain, however. This is the fact that demons get legal right when a man uses feminine clothes or a woman uses masculine clothes.

                        As in all things, God does not like MIXING. He wants women to be women and men to be men. He wants believers to be believers and pagans to be pagans. In all things, God says to be one or the other, but not to be in between! We all need to pray and ask where we grieve His Spirit regarding clothing or anything else in our lives.

                        Incidentally, my wife only uses dresses at church and insists that our daughter do the same. I don’t disagree with this.

                    • #19159
                      Steven Ching
                      Participant

                        1 An example of ungodly legalism is when JW’s are required to go out and knock on doors to promote that false religion in order to be in good standing with the Watchtower requirements to be a
                        faithful member and qualify to be accepted by God. 2 Another example is when people “put in their time” by attending church on Sunday’s, to be “good enough” for God, but have no actual confidence in their relationship with Him and live out their week without His influence and guidance in their lives. They are trying to justify themselves in God’s sight by their own efforts instead of relying on the identity and work of Jesus.

                      • #19337
                        Sanne Stouwdam
                        Participant

                          Ungodly legalism would be to put too much or even all emphasis on (good) works, as done in a couple of denominations. Godly legalism would be to say that faith without works is indeed dead, but salvation is through faith alone.

                        • #19344
                          JUAN
                          Participant

                            How about when someone says that only one English version of the Bible is correct, that all others are flawed or mistranslated. That somehow one version is more anointed than all other versions.

                          • #19764
                            Oscar Snider
                            Participant

                              One that comes to my mind was while growing up some of my friends weren’t able to play sports because their denomination said it was a sin.

                            • #20201
                              Serena Bridges
                              Participant

                                An example of ungodly legalism would be a friend of mine wasn’t allowed to play cards growing up bc her church wouldnt’ allow it

                              • #20296
                                Avatar photoKeneuoe Tsapi
                                Participant

                                  About 10 years ago in a church where we were told anyone not speaking in tongues is a sign of not being a born again believer. One had to be in church twice on Sunday, on Wednesday evening, Bible study on Tuesday night to prove to be born again. Legalism was exhausting.

                                • #21393
                                  Patricia Maragh
                                  Participant

                                    Work for your salvation – Must complete set hours in evangelism to be acceptable to Jehovah
                                    Expecting spiritual maturity from rules such as obeying the Ten Commandments.
                                    Something is always a sin – Cursed if do not pay your tithes.
                                    Labeling something a sin when God didn’t – smoking.

                                  • #22085
                                    Sallie Brice
                                    Participant

                                      If you’re not baptized in water, you wont go to Heaven.
                                      If you have sinned, you have lost the Baptism of the Holy Ghost
                                      This one is from years ago. If you are divorced, you can’t get remarried -ever.

                                    • #22802
                                      Debra Deatherage
                                      Participant

                                        A possible example of ungodly legalism would forbiding having church on a Sunday! Stating that it can only be on a Saturday!

                                      • #22847
                                        Avatar photoRonny Widjaya
                                        Participant

                                          there are some doctrines that prohibited watching movies and even playing card.

                                        • #23140
                                          Kathy Oquinn
                                          Participant

                                            Luke 18:11

                                            God, I thank you that I’m not like other people—greedy, unrighteous, adulterers, or even like this tax collector”

                                          • #23778
                                            Avatar photoApril Worthington
                                            Participant

                                              In my experience, ungodly legalism calls something sin that is preference, cultural or a personal conviction.

                                              My examples:
                                              Women should not wear makeup.
                                              Women should never dye their hair.
                                              There is only one acceptable Bible translation.
                                              It is a sin to celebrate or observe Easter or Christmas.
                                              We can only worship on Day X. It is the only holy day.

                                              May the Lord continue to deliver us from ungodly legalism. It’s a trap that works death according to the Word.

                                              April

                                            • #23851
                                              Jennifer Lucas
                                              Participant

                                                My sister attended a denominational college that said it was a sin to go to the movies; although, they would show movies on campus.

                                              • #24854
                                                Russell Renner
                                                Participant

                                                  I would say coming from my Catholic faith would be the idea of being condemned to Hell if you have a mortal sin that has not been confessed to the “Priest aka father” through the sacrament of confession.

                                                • #25066
                                                  Vincent Gemmiti
                                                  Participant

                                                    Colossians 2: 16 Therefore let no one judge you in regard to food, or in regard to drink, or in regard to a feast, or a New Moon, or Sabbaths, 17which are a shadow the things coming. But the body is of Christ.

                                                    Ungodly legalism could be establishing ones identity or relationship with the Lord based on keeping the 6th day sabbath. Or it could also go into judging the Seventh day adventists harshly for worshiping on this day. Would like to hear a comment on this if possible but to note, The Lord Jesus appeared sunday evening 1st day in the week to the Apostles, Ressurrected Christ. Then, with Thomas there, Scripture says Jesus came 8 days later to them, as well in the evening which would have been a Monday. Both days Jesus, who we worship was there. Every day is to the Lord, thank you Jesus

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